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[WillCAD]

Let me be perfectly clear: THIS THREAD CONTAINS SPOILERS!

I finished last night about 11:30pm.

Somewhat unsatisfied with the way Snape seemed to turn and kill Dumbledore. We never found out what it was that made Dumbledore trust Snape so completely to begin with, which has lead me to wild speculation that the whole incident may have been faked for the bennefit of the bad guys, so as to keep Draco from becoming a target.

Harry and Ginny? Weird. I was kinda thinking Harry and Luna. Maybe later.

Harry not returning to Hogwarts in book 7? Not a chance. Somebody will convince him; maybe at the beginning of book 7 we'll find out that Dumbledore is not dead after all.

I'd always thought that Dumbledore might die near the end of book 7, leaving McGonagal as Headmistress of the school and Harry coming on board as a teacher. That may still happen in book 7; Harry already has some teaching experience from teh D.A. meetings in book 5.

Why didn't the D.A. meetings continue? Even if Snape was a competent DADA teacher, the D.A. could have continued as an advanced study group.

We now know a way to finish off Voldemordt. Something tells me that in book 7 everybody will be scrambling to find the remaining Horcruxes, and that they will all be magical objects from the Hogwarts founders. Dumbledore said the only known relic of Godric Griffendore was the sword that Harry used in book 2, but maybe there is something in Godric's Hollow (which is named after him anyway).

Questions still to be answered in book 7:

* Is Dumbledore really dead or was it all an elaborate ruse?
* Did Snape really turn?
* Why did Dumbledore trust Snape so completely?
* What are the remaining Horcruxes and where are they?
* What did James and Lily do for a living?
* Will Harry move into 12 Grimauld Place or will he wind up teaching at Hogwarts?
* Is James and Lily's house in Godric's Hollow still standing? If so, Harry would own it and might live there.

[disneyxscollectr]

I am with you. I was not at all satisfied with the book. I still say (in the minority, I guess) that HP1 was JK's best book. Regardless, I am taking these points in no significant order.

HP and GW - well it is a cute couple, reminded me alot of Spiderman, how he can't be with her because the evil ones will use her to get to him. (I guess I picked Spiderman because they are both teenagers, but Superman and other superheros can fit in as well).

I would have preferred him to say, "I am going to stick to you no matter what because my greatest strength is the power to love. Let alone, I have saved 1/2 of your family including you once, so saving you twice is no sweat." LOL

Snape being the Half-blooded Prince. That is so Agatha Christie. There was no way, we would have known that with the non-clues we were given. I like books that give you clues that you can put together and come up with the answer. No one would have known that Prince was Snape's mother's maiden name and made the connection that Snape was lying. Especially since DD trusted Snape so much. Me, I would not have trusted Snape from day 1.

Dumbledore's death: that was out of left field. If Dumbledore dies, then it is up in the air if HP dies. That alone bothers me because this is supposed to be a children's book. Even though teens are reading it, there are lots of 8 and 9 year olds reading it too and it is there is too much adult material in it. So HP not coming back to Hogwarts and travelling the earth (like Cain), and dying in the process, seeing JK's pattern here is very possible.

For my taste, the beginning was like an Al-Queda recruiting endorsement with Bellatrix's resounding statement, "You should be proud! If Ihad sons, I would be glad to give them up to the service of the Dark Lord!" HP6, p.35. Maybe it is stretching it, but I was not comfortable with all the "darkness". No wonder so many cultures are anti-HP. (Not that I am, just stating, I see their point).

I did like seeing that HP is a bit calmer now. He is more like himself in HP1. I liked that.

I guess that what I really want is a feel good series. I want HP to live and love GW. (She really does care for him and I think would be a strong anchor for him). I want him to have a family and maybe learn how to contact his loved ones (DD, his parents, Sirius etc.) In essence, I want good to overcome evil.

Just my thoughts,
Maria

[Fortissimo]

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Is James and Lily's house in Godric's Hollow still standing?

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No, Hagrid told Dumbledore that there was nothing left of the house after the attack on the Potters.

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* Is Dumbledore really dead or was it all an elaborate ruse?
* Did Snape really turn?
* Why did Dumbledore trust Snape so completely?

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I do not think that Dumbeldore is dead. I think it is a plot by Dumbledore and Snape to get Snape further in with Voldemort.

There is now the portrait of Dumbledore. So if Dumbledore is dead he will be able to communicate with Harry, Snape, and others. He can still guide Harry through to the final battle.

I got really tired of the "snogging" all over Hogwarts. Maybe she is setting up a plot that Lavander and other will now resent Harry, Ron, and Hermione.

Anyone else find it funny when Slughorn called Ron "Rupert?"

My questions:

*What will the venom from Aragog do?

*Where was Moody and Charlie?

*Is the new Minister on the right side?

*Harry will return to Hogwarts, but as a student or to visit Dumbeldore's portrait?

[schroadmol]

I finished about midnight last night also. There was something very strange about Dumbledores death. Yes, I believe he his dead- remember his quote- Death is just another adventure to a well organized mind. He could have easily disarmed Draco and get his wand back with a simple "Accio Wand"- but he didn't. He knew he had to die- sacrafice for the greater good, ridding Voldemort. And he knew Snape had to kill him, 1) the unbreakable vow-even if Snape had wanted not to kill him, he had to 2) Snape has to continue with his charade. Instead of Dumbledore pleading for his life with Snape as Harry interpreted, what if Dumbledore was just reminding Snape he had to do it- again for the better good.

Also, at Hagrids Snape was almost telling Harry to stop, that he didn't know what he was doing(ruining the plan).
At first reading it seems he has went to Voldemorts side, but reading deeper, Dumbledores death was to easy.

RAB- Regulus Black- Sirius' brother. We have seen the locket in question- at 12 Grimmuld Place while they were cleaning it.

And yes, I believe Harry will be back at Hogwarts for year 7.

All in all a great book- definately laying the foundation for book 7.

[disneyxscollectr]

unless Snape puts the castle under a "memory" spell, Snape will not be the D.A. teacher in HP7. LOL. That falls right in line with the fact that no one has taught DA 2 years in a row. Maybe Lupin becomes the DA teacher again? (he was good, everyone who is anyone liked him)

A speculation:
Remember when DD told HP, "That potion .. was no health drink..."? What if the potion was a Horcrux and DD had to be killed in order to kill another piece of Voldemort's soul? That would be why DD would not want HP to drink it, because then DD would have to kill HP.

Questions:

Could something that Harry owns be the 7th Horcrux (his wand?)? Could Harry be the 7th Horcrux? (farfetched I know because then in order to kill Voldemort, HP would have to perish as well).

Did Snape make Polyjuice potions and take one and the Snape that killed Dumbledore, not be the real Snape. (That is a way out of it so that Snape is really good.) It was kind of weird how Snape confessed to being the HBP so fast. It was anticlimatic in a way....

Well, I will go and re-read HBP6. Figure that my imagination is running away with me. LOL.

Maria

[Wendyismyname]

I finished mine also. I'm having a very hard time believing some of the stuff. I laughed and I cried. And I thought FINALLY Ginny and Harry!!

Thanks for starting this thread WillCAD!

[Shadowfax]

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Could Harry be the 7th Horcrux? (farfetched I know because then in order to kill Voldemort, HP would have to perish as well).


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Doubtful...remember how Dumbledore told Harry that it was very difficult to make an animal a Horcrux? Think how much harder it would be to make a person one. Also, Voldemort could not possess Harry because of his "love"...I don't imagine that Voldemort's soul would fare very well in Harry's body.

[disneyxscollectr]

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Could Harry be the 7th Horcrux? (farfetched I know because then in order to kill Voldemort, HP would have to perish as well).



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Doubtful...remember how Dumbledore told Harry that it was very difficult to make an animal a Horcrux? Think how much harder it would be to make a person one. Also, Voldemort could not possess Harry because of his "love"...I don't imagine that Voldemort's soul would fare very well in Harry's body.

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I know that what you say makes sense, but I am basing my idea on snippets that I remember from CoS where DD speaks to HP about how HP has a part of LV in him. That is why HP is able to speak with snakes. Also there is a conversation as well, where DD speaks of GW having a piece of LV in her because she opened the Chamber of Secrets. That the only way that she could open it is if she was a Parselmouth.

Also, LV does have some connection with HP and HP with LV in that they could see what each of them was doing in OoTP. That is why DD always asked if HP's scar was burning.

Something about the scar and HP that makes me think that he may be a Horcrux. Maybe the scar, because I remember that in HBP (if my memory serves me well) there was a conversation where it was mentioned that LV would have spared LP and just kill HP. So, he had to kill HP in order to split his soul again. Since LP got in the way, maybe his soul split unknowingly and went into HP (the scar).

I am trying to piece where I got my idea from. I know that right now it sounds like I have no basis, but I do remember bits and pieces of the books that made me think of this.

My last piece of circumstantial "clue" is that JKR has said that the last chapter of HP7 has already been written and the last word is "scar". That got me to thinking that if in HBP we just found out about the Horcrux, that maybe the scar is the missing piece to the puzzle. This is seeing how JKR likes to hide things in the open.

I know it sounds convoluded.... that is why I must re-read HBP and tie my ideas to the other books.

I have no life LOL,
Maria

[Mariposa]

I really enjoyed the book. I had figured that Dumbledore would die in this book or at the beginning of the 7th (he had to or he'd be in the way when it came time for HP to fight LV alone), so when we got the Unbreakable Vow at the very beginning I guessed that's what they were talking about. So, I worried Snape would be sucked in. I still think he'll turn up on the right side of things, as I believe this is what he and Dumbledore were overheard arguing about (Snape having to carry through, even if it meant killing Dumbledore)- and he'll redeem himself in the 7th book.. probably by disposing of someone very dangerous.. Maybe Lucius Malfoy? (He's bound to get free?).

I'm disappointed that Ginny got dumped.. Hope that we'll still see a lot of her since she's my favorite character at this point. I was BEYOND thrilled when she and Harry got together, I've been waiting for that!

Overall, a pretty dark book, but you'd have to expect that- things ALWAYS go terribly for the good guys right before they win the war.

[whoSEZ]

Great thread! I think Dumbledore is truly dead, and I think he knew Snape had made the Unbreakable Vow to do it if Draco couldn't. I think Snape will turn out to be on the good side of things and that we'll find out why Dumbledore trusted him completely. I'm actually thinking Dumbledore, knowing all this was coming, saved a memory or two for Harry to find and use in the Pensieve ... so Harry will understand and forgive Snape for killing Dumbledore.

[Caldercup]

I agree - Dumbledore is really dead, IMHO. The "well-ordered mind" piece is the big convincing factor for me.

However, remember how he told Draco (during the confrontation before Snape barged in and did the Unforgivable Curse) that "we have ways of hiding you that LV hasn't even thought about." If you read that section carefully, it makes it seem like they have discovered a way to make it appear that people die so that LV can't get at them.

As for the Ginny thing -- I thought she was going along in a beautifully subtle way to indicate that Harry was starting to have feelings for Ginny. The bit about the first Potions class with the flowery smell he couldn't identify, but made him happy and then Ginny shows up later and he recognizes the smell. I that. Then, Rowling sort of had his feelings explode in a way that didn't feel real -- it wasn't like how his feelings for Cho were first expressed. (Yeah, I know... he's now sixteen and not fourteen, but still...)

Anyway, I really liked the book and I started rereading the last few chapters almost immediately.

Eileen

[Jennifer2003]

Ok...so how long til Book 7?

I think I'm in a state of shock. The entire book, I thought Dumbledore was acting odd, like it wasn't the REAL Dumbledore. I was certain the Half Blood Prince was Voldemort and the real Dumbledore was locked up someplace. It wasn't until he died that I knew it was the real Dumbledore.

Is it Snape or Voldemort that's threatening Malfoy??

I'm PO'ed because for 5 years Harry made it known that Snape shouldn't have been trusted, and now Dumbledore's dead. I guess that's part of the story though...

I for one loved all the snogging. I thought it was hilarious. I'm glad Harry and Ginny hooked up, I wish they didn't end, but it was left open to be rekindled. And Ron and Hermione??? HILARIOUS! Can't wait for them to snog in Book 7.

I think I need to re read the whole series now...

Jennifer

[dejavu]

I'm so THRILLED there is a thread on this. My DS, who is 13, wouldn't open his book, even after I took him to the midnight party!! He handed it to me once we got home, and said "Here, you read it first." The more I badgered him about why he would do that, the more irritated he got. Could he just be being nice??? (I've always read the books second -up till now!!)

So, I think Snape will turn out to be good, like many others mentioned, I'm wavering on whether or not Dumbledore is dead (but am glad it wasn't Ron or Hermione), I think Harry will definitely find out WHY Snape was trusted, I cracked up at all the snogging, and I love that word!, and I almost cried at the end when Ron and Hermione said, we're with you through it all.

I also am curious about Aragog's venom, and kept looking at Regulus Black's name and wondering where is this going to come into play later...

I have the same reaction I've had to all of the books- how long do we have to wait for the 7th??? I also feel really sad, knowing that the 7th will be the final chapter (unless JKR decides 85 gazillion trillion dollars isn't enough to survive on!). I went into a depression for two weeks after reading LOTR the first time. I guess when the books are done, we'll still have several movies left to look forward to.

[Caldercup]

Rowling told a child reporter that she has already written bits and pieces of the book 7, but that she doesn't expect to "put nose to the grindstone" until the beginning of 2006. So, it seems like we've got quite a wait coming!

I think there are lots of clues that Snape is a good guy - the fact that he wouldn't let anyone harm Harry during the assault on Hogwarts (which he covered by saying that the Dark Lord wanted Harry for himself.) I also can justify that he told Dumbledore that he made the Unbreakable Vow and then they plotted how best to adress that issue. If they did, then they "faked" D's death or D was willing to make the sacrifice. (It also explains why he froze Harry instead of letting him try to battle the Death Eaters -- which is a considerable question for me.)

I did find it interesting that Snape was a bigot, even though he's a "half-blood" himself.

Not sure what "Remulus" Lupin you're talking about. Remus J. Lupin is the werewolf/professor. Was there a Remulus or Romulus? J.K. Rowling has stated that she used Remus as the name because of the story of Remus and Romulus - the twins who founded Rome -- who were nursed by a female wolf after being set adrift in the river Tiber. A fan site I checked said that she stated that there was not going to be a Romulus Lupin.

I keep wanting to go back and re-read the book right away. I might just go and do that!
Eileen

[wheatenwalker]

I finished around midnight too- I thought the book was awesome,I'm not convinced that Dumbledorf IS dead- and I cant believe that he trusted in Snape so much if it werent justified-
As far as Harry and Ginny- she doesnt strike me as the type of girl who will let herself be 'dumped' for that reason- I bet she and Harry are together in the next book- she has a pretty strong personality and is pretty gutsy. She is a really good character, I think. I cant wait for the next book!!!! Sheila