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Old 05-19-2012, 07:42 PM   #31 (permalink)
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And I would have no problem showing some kind of proof. This also gives the cast members a clear way of knowing who really needs it and who is just trying to cheat the system.
Those of us who legitimately need and get one ARE willing to show something but Disney CM's won't look at them.
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My dad had to get one a few weeks ago and he did not have any problem getting one
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I got a bit more info from my friend. Thanks everyone for weighing in. From what my friend explained to me it sounds like she was being a bit difficult and got a less than friendly cm. Her husband has cancer and diabetes and they were from the sounds of it looking for something to shorten their wait- which we all know a GAC is not meant to do. She told them her husband can't do long lines and standing. He refused to disclose his condition and felt that the cm was not being helpful because of this. While I understand him not wanting to disclose his illness it is impossible to know if someone qualifies for a GAC without knowing why. The cm did offer to get my friend's husband a wheelchair which he refused because he doesn't want his children to see him in a wheelchair. My friend felt like the cm was accusing her husband of lying about his needs. She also feels like the cm lied to them because she told them that Disney no longer offers GACs. Sorry to get everyone worked up over the possibility of no more GACs. False alarm. She said she did see someone who had a GAC for autism. I feel much better now.
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Well - I'm glad you may travel without worry of GACs being "done away with." It seems like the CM did exactly what I'd expect her to do: ask the guest for what accomodations could be made and make a determination whether one of the standard accomodations could help them enjoy the park.

Since your friends DH chose not to disclose his conditions -- did he not even want to tell the CM his needs? -- I'm not surprised she was unable to give him more than a suggestion to get a wheelchair. My guess is that she did not say GACs were not being given out anymore, but rather that they had to conform to certain guidelines before they were given out.

I'm confident that you will be able to get your usual GAC (and you know what to ask for to make the experience comfortable for your child.) Good luck and enjoy your trip!
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On a side note, being physically disabled does not mean that you necessarily need a GAC either. My DH is in a wheelchair and is unable to walk, we have never asked for a GAC because we have always been given access to the alternate entrance if needed. I believe the GAC, is great for autism and unseen circumstances were it would not be noticeable to the CM.
We didn't know about the GAC the first several times we visited WDW. Until the day we were denied entrance to Peter Pan for DD Samantha. We'd always, for over 10 trips, been told to just go to the FP entrance (or the exit, before FP showed up), and they'd put us on. DD has her own electric chair - it's not a scooter, it's not a Jazzy thing, it's a $35,000 vehicle that keeps her safe and comfy. Her own chair!! And some older CM refused us entry to Peter Pan, telling us we'd "Probably just got that chair so you could skip the line". Oh - and DD is paralyzed from the shoulders down. She can move her arms, but not her hands or fingers. We carry her onto rides.
Anyway - we've always gotten a GAC since then, even when we have a tour guide.
You are correct, we're rarely asked to show the GAC, but having it is always a good idea.
When we go to get the GAC, they've started telling me they have to put eyes on the child! Once, DD went to get her own pass (she is 28), and they told her they needed to see the child. She laughed and said "I'm the child!"
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I am glad to hear that anyone who needs a GAC will still be able to get one. One thought on the dr's note, if Disney would ever require one, I am sure people would forge them. Could just be the pharmacist in me coming out.
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My friend felt like the cm was accusing her husband of lying about his needs. She also feels like the cm lied to them because she told them that Disney no longer offers GACs.
Uh - he WAS lying! Even if he said he had diabetes, that still really isn't a reason to have the GAC.
The CM kind of lied - she really meant they no longer offers GACs to anybody who says they need it. Most people who really need it are more than happy to tell them why, as evidenced by the number of people on this site who KNOW the CMs won't ask for a Dr's note and yet still have one!
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I say "I cannot do stairs" which says what my limitations but not what my me.dical reasons. In my case it is cumulutive damage ending with a major fall at DLR. I can do stairs but not always. CMs can read people so that they get suspicious of people who are evading questions.

On both coasts Disney clearly states that there are lines so guests who cannot stand for a long time should use a wheelchair. There are wheelchairs on some rides. If he is so vain as to not want to be seen in a wheelchair then he can pay the consequences.

Thank you for the update.
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We didn't know about the GAC the first several times we visited WDW. Until the day we were denied entrance to Peter Pan for DD Samantha. We'd always, for over 10 trips, been told to just go to the FP entrance (or the exit, before FP showed up), and they'd put us on. DD has her own electric chair - it's not a scooter, it's not a Jazzy thing, it's a $35,000 vehicle that keeps her safe and comfy. Her own chair!! And some older CM refused us entry to Peter Pan, telling us we'd "Probably just got that chair so you could skip the line". Oh - and DD is paralyzed from the shoulders down. She can move her arms, but not her hands or fingers. We carry her onto rides.
Anyway - we've always gotten a GAC since then, even when we have a tour guide.
You are correct, we're rarely asked to show the GAC, but having it is always a good idea.
When we go to get the GAC, they've started telling me they have to put eyes on the child! Once, DD went to get her own pass (she is 28), and they told her they needed to see the child. She laughed and said "I'm the child!"

That really stinks that they refused you entry and to say what he said is terrible. I hope you reported him!
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As to why Disney refuses to look at or require notes from doctors? It opens far more cans of worms than simply taking guests at their word.

Is a CM supposed to decide whether a doctor's note is legitimate? That's inevitably going to create bad situations.

Would CMs be required to accept every "note from a doctor" without question (in order to be sure nobody is accidentally denied the accommodation)? That leaves the whole system open for abuse.

What of the guest who doesn't know a Dr's note is required before arriving at the park?

What of the guest with a doctor's note whose condition does not require a GAC? Does the CM give a GAC anyway, because the person has a note, or will there be a scene because, "I went to the trouble of getting a note from my doctor, but you're not honoring it anyway!"

Not every doctor is going to know what information Disney is looking for, so the doctor could end up revealing more confidential medical information than necessary, or simply not provide the kind of info Disney does need.

Altogether, considering the nature of GACs, the procedure necessary to get one, and the extent to which the parks have been "mainstreamed," the possibility of abuse is pretty low. Compare that with the possible problems that could come from requiring/inspecting doctor's notes, and the honor system seems to be a whole lot better for guests, CMs, and the Disney legal department.
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I had to weigh in on this after reading through everyone's comments. For the first time in my life, I used a GAC this past December. See I have cancer and while being wheeled into surgery, through my treatment and beyond I dreamed of going back to WDW. I planned my GAC free trip but then I got hit with chemotherapy related peripheal neuropathy in my feet causing me quite a bit of on and off severe pain. I have other issues too related to the effects of treatment and some that seemed to just want to crop up to give me further problems. My point is, cancer is a big deal in and of itself let alone the treatment for same. I had no problem or care that I used the GAC card to enjoy the season at the world. And while I understand the useage of same for kids that cannot manage to not have constant meltdowns I feel a few people above said it best that they were able to manage their children and they were actually better off in the long run. I guess what I'm saying is that 99.9% of kids have ADHD but most of them are perfectly able to be okay waiting in line. I would think just having "Cancer" would qualify as well if you think about it not saying that original OOP friends husband had the correct attitude about same but . . . .
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I hate to sound mean and disagree, but I disagree. I know someone who had skin cancer but she felt fine the whole time, even through treatments. Should she have been able to say "I have cancer, I need a GAC" and just get one because of the word cancer? I don't think so but I do argree there are some people who need help because of cancer and the treatments but like those of us with Autistic kids, GAC's should be based on what kind of accomodations you need.

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ADHD and Autism are not the same thing - not even close - and for a lot of the kids with Autism, they are NOT perfectly able to wait in line.
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Duly noted CinderAbbey however most people who have intense chemotherapy will be weak and have some physical side effects. I myself already had back surgery, fibromyalgia and cervical radiculopahty in my neck prior to a cancer diag but never asked for or need a GAC but now well yes unfortunately. Autism as you say is different but how many on here said ADHD or something akin to that. In the end, it is not up to us to decide who needs a GAC but rather up to the severity of each individual case and all we can do is hope people are being honest. It's kind of like getting your 3 year old in as a free 2 year old what can we say? I just wanted to point out that the OOP said "just cancer" and sorry but there is no way cancer is just anything it can end your life! Skin cancer can be no more than having some moles removed but hmmm not lung, ovarian, breast, pancreatic, melanoma noooo not the same thing at all!
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Well being that the OP has updated the status of what really occurred with her friend and their misunderstanding of what the actual purpose of the GAC card is; i.e. it's not a "front of the line pass," etc., we need to refrain from giving our opinions and thoughts on what we think about valid or assumed less then valid, etc. medical conditions, illnesses, diagnoses, etc.

We have great diversity in our membership here at PassPorter and with that comes differences of opinion; however, being that we are all here for one common goal -- Disney vacation planning -- we need to keep to that topic (as OPs should generally be about this anyway) in an effort to avoid any misunderstandings, hurt feelings, etc.

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Everyone has to make their own decision about whether they (or their children) need a GAC, and then Disney will decide if it's really necessary. My son has autism...he doesn't need one, but my godson has aspergers and he does. Of course people will buck the system, but the important thing is that it's there for those who need it.
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