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Old 05-06-2004, 12:17 PM   #1
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Some older folks and Mission Space not a good mix?

Here's a link to a news report:

http://www.newsnet5.com/travelgetawa...38/detail.html
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Re: Some older folks and Mission Space not a good mix?

I just recently went on Mission Space for the first time in April and I loved it. I was nervous about it because of all the comments I have read about it on the boards and in ads. I got a fastpass and I am glad I did that because I probably would have chickened out if I had to stand in line for 45 minutes. I was only in line for about ten minutes and I know that during that time, I heard warnings about motion sickness, etc, etc four times during that wait. There is also a huge sign posted with all of this when you walk in. All people are different and handle different rides any many ways regardless of their age. People should know their limitations before they get on any ride. The monitors in the que even show how the ride operates. I just don't see what else Disney could add to make people understand themselves. This whole thing completely baffles me.
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I was only in line for about ten minutes and I know that during that time, I heard warnings about motion sickness, etc, etc four times during that wait. There is also a huge sign posted with all of this when you walk in. All people are different and handle different rides any many ways regardless of their age. People should know their limitations before they get on any ride. The monitors in the que even show how the ride operates. I just don't see what else Disney could add to make people understand themselves. This whole thing completely baffles me.

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All those signs are enough to make anyone second guess riding! I would have chickened out, too, if I had to wait a long time because I seem to have motion sickness issues over the last few years. However, I took dramamine beforehand, and would have accepted all responsibility for myself if I had ended up feeling poorly afterwards. I felt fine, though, and loved it!
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I agree with the rest of your post. How could people with heart problems and other serious conditions ignore all the warnings and take their chances? Not smart and not good.

However, everyone needs to be aware that what the monitors show in the onscreen simulation in the pre-show area is NOT the whole picture. Before the rides begins, the floor drops out from under the pods (ride capsules). The centrifuge starts spinning, to create the G-forces. But as the ride progresses, and on the screens within the pods you are maneuvering, each unit actually maneuvers on the arm of the centrifuge. For take-off, you are tilted back. At other points you are tilted left, right, moved up and down, etc. It matches the ride's video in the pod, creating the feeling of weightlessness, turns and such. This maneuvering combined with the video and the spinning, can make some people quite ill, even if other such rides don't affect them. There is really nothing else like Mission:Space.

I am 52 and have ridden it probably 250+ times since the first public testing. My only piece of advice they do NOT give you - - Remember to BREATHE! Shallow breathing is not a good thing on this ride.
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My only piece of advice they do NOT give you - - Remember to BREATHE! Shallow breathing is not a good thing on this ride.


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I had this problem - about halfway through the ride, I found myself saying, "Breathe, breathe!!!"

Seriously, though, we made the mistake of taking my 87 year old mother on Mission: Space, and she had a great deal of chest pain. She told me afterwards that she really thought she was dying! The thing is, she's healthy as a horse for her age, with no heart problems. I guess that the ride affects everyone differently, and unless you know that you have a problem (with motion sickness, etc.), you can't really predict how your body will react.
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Seriously, though, we made the mistake of taking my 87 year old mother on Mission: Space, and she had a great deal of chest pain. She told me afterwards that she really thought she was dying!

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I'm glad your mom is ok.

I wonder if people are underestimating what 2G's are going to feel like. But, it's really hard to comprehend that if you've never experienced it before. I've only been on Mission Space once and can't remember if they explain what G's could feel like.

The easiest/layman's explanation is that a G is equal to the weight of your body. So, 2G's will feel like twice your body weight pressing against you. 3G's, three times your body weight. So, when you're on Mission Space and you're pulling a couple of G's you've potentially feel twice of your mass pressing down on you. It's no wonder people are feeling pressure in their chests and forgetting to breathe. Also, Mission Space is not like a rollercoaster where the G-force is variable. On Mission Space you are experiencing sustained G's. While it's only 2G's it still feels uncomfortable for some.

Can you imagine experiencing an actual lift-off at 7-9G's????

Like the posters above I found myself shallow breathing and had to remind myself to take deep breaths.

This concludes "Science with Lori". I hope you all don't think I'm a huge space geek now. I use to work with a bunch of space geeks and this stuff just rubbed off.
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Don't worry about being a "space geek" - there are alot of us out there. Isn't that why Mission:SPACE is so compelling?

Now, if you really want to pull gees in a simulator, head over to the Astronaut Hall of Fame in Titusville (now a branch of the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex). They've got a centrifuge-based jet flight simulator there that has an emergency stop button for the passengers (probably pulls more like four gees). It has two, one-person pods, and either rider can push the panic button. When I rode, the other rider bailed - a big, burly guy wearing motorcycle leathers, maybe even motorcycle club colors. I wasn't about to look at him too closely - it's not polite to stare at a big, burly guy just after he's chickened on an amusement ride.
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Actually, in all the articles I've read about Mission: Space, the number I keep hearing is 3Gs, not 2.

The space shuttle astronauts experience 1.6Gs during liftoff, which increases to about 3Gs a little later when the solid rocket boosters (SRBs) separate and the main engines go to full power, accellerating the vehicle into orbit. The shuttle typically experiences about 4Gs during reentry.

Mercury astronauts experienced 6-7Gs on liftoff and 11-12Gs on re-entry.

Most people pass out at about 7Gs, although age, physical condition, and training combine to make each person's pass-out threshold a little different. Fighter pilots routinely experience over 9Gs during combat manuevers, but their training and the special g-suits they wear keep them from passing out.

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we just returned from our WDW trip. We tried MS for the first time. It will definitely be the last. We are both healthy but did not like the feeling we had - too much pressure on our chests. Our 14 yo GS said the thing.
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I know they put "barf bags" in the "pods", but are they easy to reach?!
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Yes, the "space sickness" bags ARE easy to reach. They hang from a place on the instrument panel, and I hate the fact that the bags touch my leg after the panel moves up before the "flight." I find it a bit distracting throughout the ride, but then I've never needed a bag.

I used to gripe about the bags being there, until I was at the entrance to a pod one day and there was a kid in what was to be "my seat" - still sitting there using a bag.

As for guests 80+ going on it - my mom is 81, used to be a flight instructor and took up sky diving (which she no longer does, of course) at 45. She would LOVE Mission: Space BUT she realizes that at her age her bones are fragile and although her heart is healthy, the stresses of that ride could cause serious problems. So she has enough sense to NOT ride it!
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We were there over spring break (yeah, I know, but it wasn't too bad) with my mom &amp; stepdad--at the time, he was one month shy of 70. I loved it, as did my 9-year-old, but I worried the first time about how stepdad was doing, because the pressure on your chest is very intense. All for naught, though, he rode it twice!
Just be forewarned, like everyone else says. Remember what that great philosopher Clint Eastwood says: "A man's got to know his limitations."
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One factor to consider is that older people tend to pay closer attention to the signals their bodies send them. A younger person feeling the identical effects might shrug them off as motion sickness and/or the normal effects of being in a centrifuge and think nothing more. As we enter the years when the likelihood of heart attack and stroke increase, we're on the lookout for the "warning signs," especially when we know that prompt medical attention can make the difference between life or death.

Were these guests put under undue physical stress by the ride, or were they just being understandably cautious when they felt the novel physical effects the ride creates? Probably a bit of both.
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