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Old 08-27-2013, 11:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Magic Band and Fastpass + question.

We leave Monday and have our magic bands and I have picked the fast passes we want while there, but I have a question....

Has anyone that made the fastpass + picks been able to use their cards to get paper passes?

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Old 08-27-2013, 02:29 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It's my understanding that during this testing stage that everyone will also receive KTTW cards for a back-up in case there are problems with the magic bands. You will still be able to get paper fastpasses with your KTTW card. Have a great trip! We check in this Sunday!
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I believe that if you have picked your 3 FP+ attractions you will not be able to use your card to get more FP. Three is the limit. Someone on another message board tried to get more FP and was unable to do so.
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When were you able to request your fast pass+ times? I have the magic bands too but when I go to request times for Sept, it won't let me.
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It's my understanding that during this testing stage that everyone will also receive KTTW cards for a back-up in case there are problems with the magic bands. You will still be able to get paper fastpasses with your KTTW card. Have a great trip! We check in this Sunday!
This is what I've read from friends' experiences using them during the testing. They had their 3 pre-scheduled FP+ times, and then were able to use their Keys to the World cards to get ad hoc FPs like always.

I have yet to see when or if Disney will officially announce that FP+ will be the only way to get FPs once the testing is done. (I've seen articles where third parties mention this, but not a direct quote from Disney, which is the only thing I'll trust as "fact.")

Personally, I think that making FPs a resort guest-only perq will be a misstep for Disney, based on decades of "no one gets preferential treatment" policies. That seems counter to Disney's approach to ALL guests being equal.

But that's just my personal opinion.
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Old 08-29-2013, 05:09 AM   #6 (permalink)
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When were you able to request your fast pass+ times? I have the magic bands too but when I go to request times for Sept, it won't let me.
Good question, I was wondering the same thing. I'm not going until November but just don't want to miss out on the good slots. How far out in advance do they permit you to make Fastpass+ times?
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This is what I've read from friends' experiences using them during the testing. They had their 3 pre-scheduled FP+ times, and then were able to use their Keys to the World cards to get ad hoc FPs like always.

I have yet to see when or if Disney will officially announce that FP+ will be the only way to get FPs once the testing is done. (I've seen articles where third parties mention this, but not a direct quote from Disney, which is the only thing I'll trust as "fact.")

Personally, I think that making FPs a resort guest-only perq will be a misstep for Disney, based on decades of "no one gets preferential treatment" policies. That seems counter to Disney's approach to ALL guests being equal.

But that's just my personal opinion.
ITA with that. I didn't realize until just recently that they were eventually planning to do away with paper FP's altogether. I will use a MagicBand for other reasons, but personally, I just don't like the aspect of planning (and then being tied to) my rides so far in advance. It kills the spontaneity and really, the ability to adjust plans if your chosen-way-in-advance park ends up being really busy when you actually arrive.

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Multiple people on multiple boards are reporting yes, you can use your KTTW card for regular fastpass. Fastpass is open through oct for testers I believe so just keep checking for nov- around 60 days out.
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ITA with that. I didn't realize until just recently that they were eventually planning to do away with paper FP's altogether. I will use a MagicBand for other reasons, but personally, I just don't like the aspect of planning (and then being tied to) my rides so far in advance. It kills the spontaneity and really, the ability to adjust plans if your chosen-way-in-advance park ends up being really busy when you actually arrive.

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It's not certain yet what's going to happen to the old FP system once the new systems are all completely in place and operational.

My personal opinion, and this is just supposition, is that the FP+ system will be available to on-site Guests, while off-site Guests will still have access to the original FP system. I just don't see Disney removing FP access for off-site Guests after, what, 13 years?

I don't know whether on-site Guests will ALSO have the option to use the regular FP system, along with the FP+ system. I think it's possible.

I suppose it's possible that the old FP system might be converted to FP+, and off-site Guests would be able to get up to 3 FPs per day like on-site Guests do - but off-site Guests would have to get their FPs same-day only, and wouldn't be able to get them 180 days in advance, like on-site Guests can. But if Disney were going to implement something like that, I think at this point there would have been some rumors to that effect.

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But wait - let's use some logic here!

All park passes are now RFID cards, right? You can't get into the parks with the old magnetic strip ticket media; you must exchange them for the new RFID ticket media.

This means that the old FP machines, which used magnetic strip media, don't work. So there must be new FP machines in the parks, right now, which can accept RFID ticket media.

Disney would not spend the substantial amount of money needed to upgrade/replace all of the FP machines in the parks if they were only going to use them for a few months until the FP+ system is completely rolled out, would they?

Therefore, logically, I believe that the old FP system is here to stay, and it will not be removed once FP+ is put into place.

I wonder if anyone has any recent pics of the FP distribution areas at Soarin' or Expedition Everest or Toy Story Midway Mania they could post? I'd like to see the current FP machines.

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Magic Band and Fastpass + question.

I have also read reports stating people can get extra FPs from the paper ticket machines with their cards -- and reports saying that Disney plans to phase out the paper ticket machines.

I wanted to add that Disney does not plan to restrict FP+ (or even the bands) to WDW resort guests only. Tom Staggs himself said:

"Guests who stay at non-Disney hotels will receive a ticket with features of touch to enter the park, touch to redeem, FastPass+ and touch to pay. These guests can participate in My Disney Experience and purchase a MagicBand if they wish."

Of course, Disney could change this plan, but why would they, I wonder?

PS I think WillCad and I were writing at the same time. I am not sure I completely understand his reason for thinking the paper FP machines would stay, but I do want to ask a couple questions. Why would Disney want to maintain completely separate but parallel systems for handling FPs? Fiscally, operating two separate systems doesn't make sense to me. Also, if everyone's FP time can now be stored in the "cloud," why would Disney want to continue to pay to print paper tickets? Am I missing something? I am not trying to be flip, genuinely wondering here.

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PS I think WillCad and I were writing at the same time. I am not sure I completely understand his reason for thinking the paper FP machines would stay, but I do want to ask a couple questions. Why would Disney want to maintain completely separate but parallel systems for handling FPs? Fiscally, operating two separate systems doesn't make sense to me. Also, if everyone's FP time can now be stored in the "cloud," why would Disney want to continue to pay to print paper tickets? Am I missing something? I am not trying to be flip, genuinely wondering here.

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Well, I never mentioned the paper slips specifically; I'm not sure whether they'll stay or go, long-term. But the paper slips, regardless of what else happens, do have a purpose - to give the Guest a tangible reciept for their FP reservation. Eventually, I think RFID kiosks will be all over the property, and Guests will be able to scan their ticket media to check their FP times anywhere - as well as be able to do that with smartphones. For the moment, however, I think the paper FP slips are still useful, to give the Guest a written reminder of when their FP window begins and ends.

And the "separate but parallel" thing would not be true. There are not really two systems; FP and FP+ are both the same system, you just get different entitlements based on whether you're a Magic band user or not.

I believe that FastPass and FastPass+ will work similar to the dining ADR system. On-site Guests can make dining ADRs at 180 days for a whole ten-day period, while off-site Guests have to call back each day - that's the 180+10 perk - but all ADRs are handled by the same computer, the same web site, and the same call center.

I think FastPass will eventually wrk the same. All FPs are issued by the same computer system; they HAVE TO be, in order to coordinate the return windows and keep the total number of people in the FP queues below the maximum per 15-minute block. The PLUS portion, I believe, would be that on-site Guests will have the option of making up to 3FP appointments per day, up to 180 days in advance of check-in. Off-site Guests, meanwhile, will be limited to one FP at a time, made same-day, just as in the current system. That's my guess.

As to whether Disney will eventually stop printing paper slips when an off-site Guest makes a same-day one-at-a-time FP appointment, I don't know. Probably yes, but probably not until RFID touch-screen kiosks become as ubiquitous as trash cans throughout WDW property. Which could be several years, because those things can't be cheap!

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Don't the current RFID Keys to the Kingdom cards still have a mag stripe on the back? (The last one I had which was quite a while ago now did have the mag stripe and the RFID piece.)

I would assume this is how the current dual-system is working during this test -- KTTK cards are used to get the FPs from the traditional machines.

It's my opinion, that the old FP machines will be retrofitted to accept RFID inputs for spitting out FPs.
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Thanks for all of the replies. I guess I will see when I get there! lol

I just picked my fast pass times this week, because that's the only time that I haven't been busy. I'm not sure if I could have picked them earlier, but it was just 1 week before we are leaving.

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Curious to see how your trip went.

I am going in Mid-October and have already received my Magic bands and made my fastpass+ reservations for the trip. I am staying at a DVC resort and using non-expiring paper tickets that still have a few days left on them. After some trouble I was able to get the paper tickets tied to the magicbands using the my magic experience app.

While I know that I will get a KTTW card, since I have paper tickets there normally would not be any park admission included on the card. So...

Does anyone know if I can use the old paper tickets to get the old paper fastpasses, and continue to use the bands for fastpass+? I kind of doubt it will work, since you normally have to use the paperticket to get into the park for it to be accepted at the fastpass machines. And if use the paper tickets for admission, there is the thought that the magic bands might not be enabled?

There are so many combinations, I'm not sure what my experience will be. Hoping to learn from other that have already gone to get an idea of what my options are!
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Curious to see how your trip went.

I am going in Mid-October and have already received my Magic bands and made my fastpass+ reservations for the trip. I am staying at a DVC resort and using non-expiring paper tickets that still have a few days left on them. After some trouble I was able to get the paper tickets tied to the magicbands using the my magic experience app.

While I know that I will get a KTTW card, since I have paper tickets there normally would not be any park admission included on the card. So...

Does anyone know if I can use the old paper tickets to get the old paper fastpasses, and continue to use the bands for fastpass+? I kind of doubt it will work, since you normally have to use the paperticket to get into the park for it to be accepted at the fastpass machines. And if use the paper tickets for admission, there is the thought that the magic bands might not be enabled?

There are so many combinations, I'm not sure what my experience will be. Hoping to learn from other that have already gone to get an idea of what my options are!
During the Magic Bands testing phase, those with MBs are still being issued KTTW cards as backup, because the MBs aren't yet usable everywhere, and there are still some glitches and bugs in the system. There have been several reports on PP that those backup KTTW cards can be used in the old-style FP machines, which are not connected to FP+.
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