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Old 09-17-2013, 03:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 09-17-2013, 05:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It almost looks like Disney was reading the posts on this and other boards about how to best make the old GAC system equitable as well as cutting down on the number of people that would want to "game" the system. I think it is only fair to allow those that need assistance to have non-que or short-que entrances to the attractions but then make sure they can not be used as an "unlimited FastPass" as some are now.

Even though the author has written this as it would apply to Disneyland, I seriously doubt that it will be different at WDW with the possible exception of linking it to the MagicBand system at WDW so there is no need for a CM to make out a hand written pass, just a few button pushes on an iPad and it is linked to the GAC holders MagicBands.
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I don't know - it just doesn't sound right to me. If this is how Disney is going to work it, I think lots of people are going to be upset. Only one stamp on it? What about those people with severly disabled children that need a stroller because of their size, not a wheelchair. Is Disney going to say "tough, get a "rea" wheelchair, we don't accept a stroller as a wheelchair anymore." And the stamp for no stairs? That just means Disney is putting money in their pockets IMO. Can't do stairs? Go rent a wheelchair, then you can use the wheelchair entrances but now you'll just have to pay to use it. And that's not to mention that there will only be specific spots to get these "return time passes." Waiting in line just to get a return time? Yeah, I don't see how that's going to work with so few locations. Want to ride a ride in Tomorrowland, go to Main Street first, then back track, go back to Main Street, then go to Frontierland. I could see it working if there was a kiosk or CM in each land for it but not 4 in all of DL. The biggest thing that sounds wrong to me is a new card will be issued only one day at a time. If you can "prove" you're staying at a hotel (easy with the KTTW card) you can get a longer pass but it certainly discriminates against those that stay off property for whatever reason.

Having said all of that though, until the real thing is rolled out, no one knows for sure exactly how it's going to work. It may be better than the GAC (although as a person with 2 disabled family members it does not sound better), it may be a lot worse and leave Disney with egg on their face. Only time will tell.
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Darlene brings up some good points. This procedure sounds very similar to the one we encountered at Universal Orlando, and it was very frustrating for us. The wait times were always a long time off. We had to keep track, and all the other attractions were either too busy to get to in the meantime, or they were on the other side of the park, and we would literally have spent our day zig-zagging from pillar to post. It wound up being far less stressful for us to just visit the attractions that were most important to us and avoid the use of the card all together. Even then, we had to skip several things, because we had only one day in the park.

I don't like the sound of it, and we're getting ready to visit DLR next summer. I'm skeptical.
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Read the same article today and posted on it here in the Special Needs forum. I'm skeptical about the system and a bit apprehensive since we will be there on Nov 4. It is so hard for us to plan our day since DS's mood can change ith the drop of some pixie dust. I can't imagine how he'll take it when he decides he wants to go on Peter Pan and told he has to wait 45 minutes. He just won't understand, no matter how much preparation we do before the trip. Only time will tell I suppose but I'm hoping its not as convoluted as it sounds since WDW is the one place we've been able to vacation as a somewhat "typical" family.
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Only one stamp on it? What about those people with severly disabled children that need a stroller because of their size, not a wheelchair. Is Disney going to say "tough, get a "rea" wheelchair, we don't accept a stroller as a wheelchair anymore." And the stamp for no stairs? That just means Disney is putting money in their pockets IMO. Can't do stairs? Go rent a wheelchair, then you can use the wheelchair entrances but now you'll just have to pay to use it.
The way I read the article, it is saying that people with mobility issues (in a wheelchair) will go through the regular queue, as most of the rides are wheelchair assessable now. That DAS will not be given for wheelchairs, period.

Also, (the way I read it) there will not be stamps anymore, you either get a DAS or you don't. Having one will give you access to the alternate entrance at the return time on your "DAS FP", no matter your disability.
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I read the same thing. Every disability that isn't wheelchair or ECV related will be treated the same. You get a return time that is similar to the current wait time. You won't have to stay in line, but will come back and be put throught the fastpass line at your designated time. It's like getting extra fastpasses.

I think that this will work a lot better for the WDW/DL staff. It definitely won't be as convenient for the park guest with a disability. But, it will seem more 'fair'.

And it really seems to me that this was put in place at both parks because the Disneyland parks were having ta real problem with the amount of AP holders that were also GAC holders and couldn't really accomodate them anymore (as well as in response to the TV expose).
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Exactly as others said. If you have mobility issues then your wheelchair/ecv/stroller as a wheelchair, will just go thru the accessible line like normal. Every other issue will get this "extra fastpass" type system. It sounds good to me. My sister and I were talking about it yesterday(she has an autistic daughter) she does not usually use GAC anyway and they just use the fastpasses, anyway, she said it sounded great that not only can you get the regular fastpass but also the DAS that will get you into those extra rides. I would like to say that she uses WDW and the waits to actually help her daughter learn to have patience and wait for what she wants. Maddie has improved greatly by this.
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Personally I am very glad they are making adjustments to the program even if they are a work in progress. It's sad that people have to feel defensive about asking for help. I won't bore you with details but I have several autoimmune issues that make it necessary to use the GAC at times. It broke my heart this summer to hear someone in line at Space Mountain joke about how they found a "golden ticket" on the ground and were using it to get on rides all night.

Sometimes the best part of the vacation is the anticipation and bonding you do while waiting in line. I know it sounds crazy but I miss that. I would give anything to have a day at Disney or anywhere without having to accommodate my health issues.
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Exactly as others said. If you have mobility issues then your wheelchair/ecv/stroller as a wheelchair, will just go thru the accessible line like normal. Every other issue will get this "extra fastpass" type system. It sounds good to me. My sister and I were talking about it yesterday(she has an autistic daughter) she does not usually use GAC anyway and they just use the fastpasses, anyway, she said it sounded great that not only can you get the regular fastpass but also the DAS that will get you into those extra rides. I would like to say that she uses WDW and the waits to actually help her daughter learn to have patience and wait for what she wants. Maddie has improved greatly by this.
....the use of WDW for the "learning to wait" thing is actually a very inventive idea ....because the "reward" is in most cases, more special than elsewhere.

....just guessing the they (WDW) are attempting to remedy the issue of everyone seemingly getting a GAC because it is pretty much treated / seen as a "front of the line" pass?

....I only say everyone, because last year (and a few weeks ago) ...I was traveling with my brother's family, who had a GAC for my autistic nephew. They went to "It's a Small World" in MK ...and we did too. We took the standby line ...and got on the ride (and off it) before they did (took us 5 minutes to get on). They used the GAC, were put on the FP line, and my SIL noted that their line was SO long (+/- 10 minutes) because "everyone seemed to have a GAC". (she was not thrilled?).

....maybe ...someone is attempting to fix the non working aspects of the GAC issuance, by trying to utilize the system, (or the same concept) that's been introduced as part of the whole FP+ "experiment" ...along with the existing FP system mechanism?
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"Sometimes the best part of the vacation is the anticipation and bonding you do while waiting in line"
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I read the article and I think the new DAS sounds good. I'm glad they're still going to accommodate people with special needs and I hope this means they are going to try to make all their attractions wheelchair accessible.
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Sparky does this with her child as well, and I applaud your sister!
Yes, yes I do! I figure it like this. My DD has intellectual impairment, along with severe ADHD, speech delays, and fine motor delays. I have never gotten a GAC for her, bc the way I see it...she doesn't have issues with crowds (and if she did, I am unsure I would take her to WDW at all), her only issue is impatience. It's my job to teach her to have some patience and to wait for your turn. If she wants to ride something, we get in line and she has to wait her turn, like everyone else. If she doesn't want to wait, then you don't get to ride. Easy as that. I do try to make the wait as painless as possible, by talking to each other, looking for hidden Mickeys, figuring out what to do next, etc...we also don't get in line for a ride if it is over 30 minutes long.

I also believe I have to teach her tricks to make her time easier. Not tricks like let's get a GAC, but more like..."This ride has a 40 minute wait, let's get a FP" or "Let's come back to it later."

She needs to realize that the "real" world doesn't hand out GAC's. She is going to have to wait in lines at stores, in traffic, etc. No one is going to say to her, "Oh, you can't wait the 30 minutes? Let me just fix that for you and you can go to the front of the line and only wait 10 minutes instead, you poor disabled thing."

The "real" world does not care what her disabilities are and they certainly won't accommodate her needs, or treat her special because of it. My job is to ready her for the "real" world....to find a way that is the least painful for her to fit in and live her life...NOT teaching her that she should be given specialties bc she is different. She needs to learn to bend, not expect the world to bend to her.

Now, please realize I am not talking about things like wheelchairs and such. That is not her issue. Like DisneyDana said, the attractions are made available to all, you can choose to participate or not to....depending on what your needs are. I didn't get to ride RnRC last trip, bc the line was too long, IMO....instead of being upset bc I couldn't wait 90 minutes...I looked at it as "thems the brakes". I know you could say I am adult, and not a child...but somewhere as a child I had to learn this to be able to say it now. My thoughts didn't come when I turned into an adult, it was something that was taught to me and I learned over the course of growing up. It is now up to me, to pass this knowledge and wisdom to my DD, whether she has special needs or not.

I applaud WDW for it's efforts in trying to fix the problem. No matter what they do, there is always going to be someone who is unhappy.
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hahaha! "thems the brakes"! And this above my friend, makes you my hero. WAY.TO.GO! Parenting, huh...whodda thunk?
Thanks girl! Here are some others for you...."That's the way the cookie crumbles", "Suck it up", "Life isn't fair"....



I wanted to add on too, that my DD doesn't understand a lot of things either. An example would be last trip when we rode Nemo, she wanted to go again. You get off at a different spot then where you board. The only way we could figure to get back to the boarding area was to go out of the attraction and back in the entrance. So that is what we did....with DD crying the whole time she wanted to ride it again. She didn't understand why we were leaving the attraction, even though we were saying we were getting right back in line. She does not understand what a FP is.

Again, I reiterate she has intellectual impairment (making her much younger in her mind, then the 9 years she is) AND she has speech delays and speech processing problems, so she doesn't always understand what we are saying to her or trying to tell her. No matter how many times we go over it, or how many different ways we say it. I figure that a 2 or 3 year old doesn't understand either, but I didn't go get a GAC when she was that age, stating that at 2 or 3 she doesn't understand that she has to wait her turn...so why would I need to now? It's the same as dealing with a toddler.

That is just my opinion and how I handle my own DD, who has numerous and various special needs. She sure is special...to me, to her family, and to her friends...but not to everyone else in the free world. The sooner she knows this and learns how to navigate the world...the better. In fact, I don't even really like the term special needs. Having "special" needs, doesn't make you special or entitle you to special treatment above what every one else gets.
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I have very mixed feelings about this. I completely agree that Disney had to do something to prevent the obvious abuse of the current system. However, I have two children with varying disabilities including autism, anxiety, sensory, ad/hd, ocd and a few others. We work really hard to plan our days to avoid having meltdowns and frustration and this system will actually create more problems. I have to make detailed schedules for the kids on a daily basis. Going off schedule can be met with frustration or on occasion they can handle the changes but we never know which we are going to get.

This system will actually make it quite difficult to make a detailed schedule. For example if I plan thinking at the time we arrive that the wait for Splash Mountain will be 60 minutes and plan to use the DAS to get a return time of approximately 45 minutes. I would have the plan for us to do maybe two smaller attraction or eat lunch. But if when we arrive the return time is 90 minutes and we would get a return time of 75 minutes this will leave us with a lot of extra time to try to "wing it" and this is what is most likely to cause meltdowns in my kiddos. The best thing for my son is to know the next 3-4 activities we are doing. If I say we are getting the DAS pass for Splash, eating lunch, Country Bears and then returning to Splash, anything extra in there could lead to disaster.

I think the one thing that may make this system work for us would be if there is not a return window, like with the FP. This way I could plan based on a longer time. If I think the return time will be 45 minutes I could plan to have other activities for 1-2 hours and return when we have finished those, even if it's been well over the 45 minute return time we were given. But if when we got the return time it was 90 minutes we would still have enough planned to cover the extra wait from what I expected. But if we have to return within an hour period like the FP, it really does not work well.

I think the problem with a broad system like this is everyone's disabilities are unique and individual. Even other children with the exact same disorders as my children may respond differently. We have continued to return to Disney because it is really a wonderful place for our children. It is one week a year or so that we can enjoy our family in a completely different way than we are able to at home.
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